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Gagandeep

Gagandeep — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Even at the these early stages of analysis the crystals seem dubious proof of earliest traces of life and yet if these are indeed right then the origin of life would be pushed back by at least 500 million years.

Considering that the belief is that that period was too harsh to sustain life, this finding has the possibility of opening a brand new chapter in the history of life itself.

But what I sincerely hope is that these tiny proofs hold a clue to the evolutionary stages. Filled up gaps in theory of evolution would give those theists something to think seriously about.

Nishant

Nishant — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

How childish can you be with this all God thing dude, whats the point of even mentioning the point here, why do you even care about what theists think ?

You don’t believe in god, fine but what gave you a right to ask others to stop believing?

Religion is a personal thing and thats where strangers like you are supposed to keep their mouth shut

Gagandeep

Gagandeep — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Did I ask a believer to stop believing? Even though I did not expressly say so, maybe you deduced as much. That shows who is unsure of his ’belief’

”Religion is a personal thing”

and precisely the opposite is true. Belief could be a personal thing but religion is not Mister Nishant.

It is the religious zealots who force their opinion on others. Atheists (or the scientifically inclined) only present proof.

Anyhow, what I said was maybe the strands of evidence could fill up gaps in the evolutionary theory and remove any cause for theists (who are far more in numbers) to attack atheists.

Nishant

Nishant — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Religion is supposed to be personal thing dude, coz religion is all about belief.

And for me, few Atheists (like yourself) are like religious extremists and are always trying to show how they are right and others are wrong.

You dont believe in it, end of chapter, dont ask others to stop believing

Nishant

Nishant — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

and my reply wasnt only for this comment you posted, but was targetting at all those comments where you managed to crap using your keyboard

Gagandeep

Gagandeep — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

See this is what I meant by religious zealots forcing opinion on others. You’d stalk all my comments (even elsewhere) to prove I’m wrong and you are right.

Again never asked you to stop believing, now did I?

Gagandeep

Gagandeep — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

”Religion is supposed to be personal thing”

But it isn’t and that’s the end of that ”DUDE”..

You won’t call mass hysteria over god a personal thing would you?

Nishant

Nishant — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

”You won’t call mass hysteria over god a personal thing would you? ”

I said it’s supposed to be, it always were.

but things like ’my religion is better than yours’ and ’you religion suck’ have now killed the real meaning of religion.

Nishant

Nishant — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

”See this is what I meant by religious zealots forcing opinion on others. You’d stalk all my comments (even elsewhere) to prove I’m wrong and you are right.

”

All I am saying is that why are you so adamant about proving that God does not exist?

If you dont believe it then let it be and so goes for the believers

And I am far from being anything religious, my theory of existence of God is like a mix of Theories put forward by Believers and Atheists

I am just asking you to respect other people’s beliefs, thats it

Nishant

Nishant — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

”Again never asked you to stop believing, now did I? ”

You did not, but you surely have problems with people who do, that why you said ”Filled up gaps in theory of evolution would give those theists something to think seriously about”, may I ask why it’s so?

Gagandeep

Gagandeep — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

And it seems you would not like evolution to be proved even further. Would that cast aspersions on your own belief for that matter?

Nishant

Nishant — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I dont believe in ’so said’ ways of Earth and life creation.

Being a science student I have always tried to find out a logic behind everything and thus I’ll buy evolution theory anyday

Nishant

Nishant — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I dont believe in ’so said’ ways of Earth and life creation.

Being a science student I have always tried to find out a logic behind everything and thus I’ll buy evolution theory anyday

Gagandeep

Gagandeep — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

You did not answer me precisely, but that doesn’t even matter.

Okay so you are a science student so what possible problem could you have in furtherance of evolutionary theory is what I fail to comprehend.

And you are not understanding me. What I’m saying is that if I can comment on what you feel about a real person then I should be able to freely comment on your beliefs about an intangible being too.

And that is because religion, as I said, is hardly a personal phenomenon so it is not like I’m criticizing what you feel. But I’m commenting on a feeling that pervades the masses.

But then you are too naive to understand that.

Nishant

Nishant — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

”:What I’m saying is that if I can comment on what you feel about a real person then I should be able to freely comment on your beliefs about an intangible being too”

When did I comment on any person? I just asked you to respect other people’s beliefs, that’s not so hard to do i guess

”But then you are too naive to understand that. ”

ANd you are too arrogant to respect other people’s beliefs.

I dont even belive in God the way others do, I more of believe in source of life that kick started all things.

One theory that goes by that is Big Bang, but it hasnt been proved yet.

I am not in search of 6 handed human maker who’ll give me Nirvana, I am living my life, believing that maybe one day science will unravel the mystery of universe, and I hope to witness that.

Gagandeep

Gagandeep — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

You won’t give me some peace would you? And please stop quoting me out of context.

That thing about commenting on a real person was hypothetical. You are amusing me. Not only are you being naive but increasingly dumb as well.

Again whatever god you want to believe in go ahead and do it. I don’t care. But the fact remains, I’m free to have my own opinion of what others think or do (especially on matters that have a bearing on society as a whole) and not you nor any other person can deny me that right.

Nishant

Nishant — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Naive? because I know how to respect other people’s beliefs? oh well, if thats the case then let it be, I am happy to be naive and all that.

If being intelligent is being you then heaven forbid, I am happy the way I am coz it’s some ”Hypothetical” person who needs to change his attitude towards others.

Gagandeep

Gagandeep — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Now that’s the problem you see. I have no problem in respecting anyone’s opinion, about anything for that matter. But what gets my goat is that you must accord some special treatment when it comes to other’s beliefs.

Shouldn’t religion be subject to same sort of scrutiny that opinion on other matters is? You’d as easily debate my opinion on a personal matter like book, actor etc etc, but when it comes to religion you’d simply take me on and castigate me. Just why?

Why does your faith require a special concession?

Nishant

Nishant — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I hardly care about your personal opinions dude, I give damn to what yuo read or what you love.

Because, it’s simply none of my business.

Though I’ll definitely like to state my opinion about the same thing, but I’ll never criticize your opinion just because it differs from mine.

Nishant

Nishant — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

And is that I’ve ever commented on you opinions previously? Or that was just you being you and talking out of context?

Gagandeep

Gagandeep — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

For the record I have no problem with your beliefs, or anyone for that matter.

But when anyone evokes science in favor of god, that’s where the problem arises. For all I care you can go on an believe in a 6 hand entity designing all conceivable and stuff and listening to prayers and stuff, but please don’t say he can be proven to exist using science.

Science and religion are mutually incompatible and would always remain so.

Nishant

Nishant — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I have already mentioned previously in that science and god article that I don’t believe in 6 handed deities. And I never said anything about ’what God looks like’, now did I?

Gagandeep

Gagandeep — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Again I did not question initially as to what you think. I used the word theists and you took it as an offense. That clearly shows that you are embarrassed by what you believe in.

I wonder who started the whole talkin out of context thing.

Nishant

Nishant — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I am embarrassed indeed, to know that there are humans who cant respect other people’s beliefs.

I did not, atleast I wasn’t the one who dragged theists in.

Gagandeep

Gagandeep — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

And what precisely is the problem with using that word?

Nishant

Nishant — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

It’s not about the word it’s about your mentality, the way you think that Theists must change their point of view.

I will say again that if 2moro someone proves that God exists (in any form) then I wont ask you to rethink your beliefs (or of any other atheist, for that matter)

So you shouldn’t ask Theists to rethink their views about how things happened if someday this ’THEORY’ of evolution is proved to be right

Gagandeep

Gagandeep — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

And I’m so amused that you can probe deep into my psyche and deduce just how I think about atheists. That’s so funny but maybe your god has endowed you with mind-reading powers.

And yes you are nobody to ask me to change my opinion if god is somehow proved to be true. But then neither am I asking anybody to go back on his/her faith. All I said was that filling up evolutionary gaps would give theists something to think about, in that they would have new proofs to deal with. Why your faith is so shaken, as to take an offense at that simple suggestion is what I’m incapable of understanding.

Nishant

Nishant — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

What you havnt been able to understand till now is that I am no theist, I can very well be clubbed under the tag of Atheist.

Because Atheist not only a person who does not believe in God, but someone who does not believe in traditions and traditional ways of wooing can also be called an Atheist. So that’s bit like me.

And you managed to contradict your own words in one single post :

First you say that you wont tell people to rethink then you again say that you will. I still cant understand as of why you want theists to re-think?

if you think that they are in delusion then just let them be, why do you care?

Gagandeep

Gagandeep — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Again You misunderstand me. I don’t care about what a particular person thinks; even though I’d rather have him in my corner than god’s.

What I do care about are the reasons that are put forth by theists in general. And that is what I commented upon initially. You chose to impart your own meaning to that and have since questioned me on everything but my comment.

Gagandeep

Gagandeep — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

And what do I care if you are a theist or otherwise. Did my comment have any bearing on you, no it didn’t. But you are so smug and conceited as to think that everything in this universe is directed against you.

Leena Komarraju

Leena Komarraju — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Nice article Nishant. I tried to put this link but you proved to be faster than me. :)

As far as the above debate goes I request you guys to go through Einstein’s views. You will see that both sicence and religion are acutally interdependent.

Gagandeep

Gagandeep — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Am I being ganged up against? :P